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[分享/讨论] 爆料:看佳偶是如何虚假宣传,愚弄,欺诈消费者和侵害PH,并厚颜无耻喊冤的

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发表于 2017-7-12 18:51 | 显示全部楼层 |阅读模式
本帖最后由 uxffh 于 2017-7-12 19:09 编辑

近日,一些别有用心的人歪曲事实,污蔑诽谤PH联合兵人在线以欺诈,垄断,歧视等手段进行价格竟争,以混淆不明事实的玩家及部份商家的视听,贼喊捉贼,泄露他人身分资料,侵犯他人隐私。其厚颜无耻的程度让人震惊。


做为知情者,觉得有必要出来澄清事情的来龙去脉。


佳偶素体本身就是侵权产品,毋庸置疑。
事实如下:

一:虽然PH素体被大家熟知,但PH公司由于几乎不跟外界接触而不为人知。佳偶素体抄袭PH素体,蓄谋已久。早在2014年6月,佳偶(那时佳偶还没注册)负责人明某跟人合作开发《剣网3》1比6人偶小昭,接触到兵人圈包胶素体。买来各种PH素体及台湾当时的全包素体参考开发。后遇到技术瓶颈,项目迟滞不前。便绞尽脑汁向PH偷技术。由于无法找到PH公司,便通过PH代理‘兵人在线’以合作开发产品的名义联系到PH。由于是兵人在线介绍,PH当然不会怀疑有詐。但当明某一来到PH研发中心就迫不及待地开始研究PH素体并问一些敏感技术问题时,引起了PH的警觉,当时就出示了专利证书给明某,警告他不要乱来,并且在后来的来访,PH都禁止明某上到PH写字楼,PH这一举动导致了明某的强烈不满,扬言要打挎PH。
后来由于《剑网3》人偶因品质问题导致大面积退订,项目流产,明某跟其合作人翻脸,PH才得知被侵权内幕。


1:佳偶《剑网3》开发及最终流产部分图片:
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2:佳偶抄袭PH素体的制作过程,如下图:
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三:佳偶愚弄,欺诈消费者,虚假宣传。岚素体包装盒图片虚假宣传,图片并非佳偶素体,而是《剑网3》人偶宣传的PH素体:
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四:从专利文件。PH的专利文件提交于2014年11月24日,公告日为2015年2月11日(如下图一)。而佳偶的专利文件提交于2015年10月14日,公告日为2016年10月10日(如下图二)。其申请日比PH的公告日迟8个多月,此时PH钢骨已在市面出售。PH于2015年10月起诉佳偶,佳偶当时并未申请任何专利文件。时至今日,专利复审委员会下达PH专利无效文件,并非最终生效文件,国家知识产权局网站上的关于PH的权利状态仍然是专利维状态(如下图三)。而PH也已经向最高人民法院提起行政诉讼,其最终结果请大家拭目以待。从所周知,实用新型专利不经过实质性审查,在权利维持方面不俱备稳定性。而对于佳偶不正当抄袭获得专利文件有什么意义,不得而知。

图一:
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佳偶专利证书于2015年10月14日才申请,图二:

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图三:
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五: 2015年明某用高利润率向兵人在线推销其侵权素体。遭兵人在线拒绝,明某以加多宝王老吉案为例试图说服兵人在线,仍遭兵人在线拒绝,所以对兵人在线怀恨在心。而在兵人在线看来,引贼入室的是他,被咬的是PH,而PH是他的供应商,一个代理商放弃高利润来保护自己供货商不受非法侵害, 怎么就成了欺诈,歧视和垄断了呢?而市面上有台湾全包胶素体,国内有UD全包胶素体出售等,大家都可以随意买卖,这是垄断吗?而明某还以厚颜无耻的态度挖PH的合作商,贬低PH产品,同样遭到坚决的拒绝,而PH并未在任何商家面前提及过佳偶。正如PH, 有很多其它商家希望直接找PH拿货,而PH在很早就已经把代理权交给了兵人在线,如果直接供货给其他商家,于理是违约,于情是背信弃义。

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六:关于价格,涨跌都是受市场影响,一个品牌,有权利调整自己的产品价格,并非打压谁。而PH,正在经受一系列的恶意侵害,比如更改商标一事和素体被侵权一事。但相信PH绝对不会妥协,也会不惜一切代价坚决打击非正当的竞争。

研发产品跟生孩子一样,自己没能力生孩子,就去偷别人家孩子的思想将被人唾弃,堂堂正正做人,踏踏实实做事才是跟本。侵权的人,要好自为之。


本文仅代表个人观点,跟PH及兵人在线无关。






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Breaking: How Jiaou Misled Consumers through False Advertising, Undermined Phicen, and Brazenly Claimed to be Victim

By Uxffh  from  BBICN BBS
Link  (Chinese) : http://bbs.bbicn.com/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=327042



Recently, some people with ulterior motives have distorted the facts to slander Phicen and BBICN, falsely accusing them of joint fraud, monopoly, discrimination and other means for price competition. This is to confuse collectors and merchants, create misdirection by means of framing, all while revealing personal data and infringing privacy. The level of audacity is indeed shocking.

As someone with insider information, I feel the need to come forth and clarify the details of this situation.

Beyond any doubt, Jiaou Doll is a bootleg product that infringes copyright.
The facts are as follows:

1.        While the Phicen body is well known, the company makes little contact with the outside world and keeps a low profile. The Jiaou body imitates that of Phicen and has plotted to do so since way back.

As early as June 2014, a certain Mr. Ming, from Jiaou (not registered at that point) was in a collaboration to develop 1:6 figures from "JX Online 3" (a swordsman-themed RPG) when this person learned more about the seamless body. Ming bought a variety of seamless body from Phicen and from Taiwan for reference and development purposes.

After experiencing technical bottlenecks, the project became stagnant. They racked their brains to steal the Phicen technology. Unable to locate the company, they had to connect with Phicen through distributor BBICN, in the name of the “product development collaboration”. As it was through introduction of the trusted BBICN, Phicen initially did not suspect possible fraud. However, the moment Ming arrived at the Phicen R&D center, he eagerly studied the Phicen bodies and asked sensitive technical questions. This resulted in a wary Phicen showing their patent certificate to Ming, warning him not to overstep. In subsequent visits, Ming is restricted from the office. This move led to a resentful Ming, who threatened to end Phicen.

Later on, quality problems of “JX Online 3” figures led to a large-scale order cancellation, terminating the project. It was when Ming fell out with his partner that Phicen became aware of the infringement situation.


    In pictures: the development and termination of Jiaou ‘JX Online 3’

Article: “Outcry from collectors as ‘JX Online 3’ action figures varied significantly from official illustration”. There was previously much hype over this project as it supposedly involved top sculptors who had worked with big brands.



Collectors boycott and file joint complaint against astronomically priced “JX Online 3” figures



Quality problems of “JX Online 3” figures led to a large-scale order cancellation




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2.        The following pictures shows how Jiaou has copied the making process of Phicen





Left: Phicen’s stainless steel skeleton
Right: Jiaou copies the first stage of production



Jiaou copies Phicen’s second production stage




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3: Jiaou cheated consumers through false advertising. The picture Jiaou has used for its packaging is not of their seamless figure body but of Phicen’s seamless body. It is the same picture that was previously used to promote “JX Online 3”

Top: Check out the picture used on Jiaou’s packaging
Bottom: Picture of Phicen’s seamless body used to promote “JX Online 3”





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4: From the patent registry.

Phicen’s patent application was filed on November 24, 2014, with announcement dated February 11, 2015 (Figure 1 below).

Jiaou’s patent application was file on October 14, 2015, with announcement dated October 10, 2016 (see Figure 2). Its application date is 8 months later than Phicen’s announcement date. During this time, Phicen stainless steel skeleton has already been selling in the market.

Phicen sued Jiaou in October 2015, which at that point had not yet applied for patent.

Today, the Patent Re-examination Board may have issued a document stating Phicen’s patent as invalid, but it’s not the final effective document. The State Intellectual Property Office website indicates that Phicen maintains its patented status (Figure 3).

Phicen has file for lawsuit with the Supreme Court, so let’s look forward to the outcome. As we all know, patent not subjected to substantial review may not be sustainable. It is baffling that Jiaou has obtained a patent document, by means of inappropriate copying.

Figure 1: Phicen’s patent application was filed on November 24, 2014.



Figure 2: Jiaou’s patent application was file only on October 14, 2015.



Figure 3: The State Intellectual Property Office website indicates that Phicen maintains its patent status




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5: In 2015, Ming promoted the infringing figure bodies to BBICN, attempting to entice with “high profitability”. When BBICN refused, Ming even cited the Wong Lo Kat trademark dispute of JDB company as example to persuade BBICN. Ming was again rejected and began holding a grudge.

From the perspective of BBICN, they’ve brought in trouble which mostly affected their supplier Phicen.  Forgoing high profits as distributor to protect supplier from illegal infringement – how is this fraud, discrimination or monopoly? As for the market, there are the seamless bodies from Taiwan, domestically there’s the UD seamless body, etc. How is such a market, in which we are free to buy and sell, considered a monopoly?

On the other hand, Ming had the audacity to solicit Phicen’s business partners and smear the products of Phicen, and likewise faced firmed rejection. Meanwhile, Phicen made no mention of Jiaou to merchants. There are many merchants hoping to purchase from Phicen directly. But Phicen has long given the distribution rights to BBICN. It would be a breach of contract and trust if Phicen supplied directly to merchants.

(Email solicitation dated 19 September 2016)



(Email solicitation dated 27 September 2016)



(Email solicitation dated 14 May 2016)



(Email solicitation dated 24 May 2017)




6: Regarding the price, fluctuation is influenced by the market. A brand has the right to adjust product prices and it’s not to suppress anyone.
Phicen is experiencing a series of malicious infringement, such as the case in which it has to change its trademark, as well as this case of infringing figure bodies. Trust that Phicen will not compromise and will firmly crack down on unfair competition.

Product development is like giving birth to a baby. It’s sickening to even consider stealing someone else’s baby just because one is unable to conceive. It’s fundamental to be sensible and have self-respect. To infringers, do take care of yourself and not push this too far.

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Opinions expressed in this post are my own and do not represent that of Phicen and BBICN.



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发表于 2017-7-12 19:40 | 显示全部楼层
说句公道话岚素体只要不是新玩家都知道是翻模P家的,没看过翻模还这么高调去当自己东西做品牌的。这场家还在各贴吧贴P家不让自己家卖货,一个偷盗的厂家如果成功了那又有几个用于创新的厂家?是Phicen让广大玩家玩到了便宜又题材丰富得包胶。

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总有些人,就是不肯把聪明才智用在研发产品上,非要去搞些小动作妄图挣快钱。

PH目前的新品研发速度和产品效果有目共睹,强烈支持PH!

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发表于 2017-7-12 20:11 | 显示全部楼层
从TBL第一款包胶素体开始就一直购买,PH的进步是有目共睹的,今后也会继续支持(顺便提个小建议:头部链接球可否改短一些,让像天意美这种浅接口的头雕也可以适配~)
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